the first hearing, doj testified, the next year doj testified. the third hearing was just government is on the epca reform. i just don't think it's a fair criticism to say that law-enforcement haven't been at the table. >> host: final word, agent trained to. >> guest: although it doj may have participated, the fbi, dea and other agencies have not been at the table to this point, nor have the relatively small lobbying groups such as the one i represent as a volunteer and the only other voluntary association that represents the concerns of 1811 in the law-enforcement arena. we have now been told by judiciary committee that they will be happy to have discussions with us, but this is only taken place in the last few months. some of the other stronger groups that have been out there for sometime advocating for changes in epca. >> host: konrad motyka, gregory nojeim, brendan sasso, thank you for being on "the communicators."